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	<title>Comments for NYC Venture Philanthropy Fund</title>
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	<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 00:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Post-holiday coma cure by allenbirman</title>
		<link>http://nycvpf.org/2008/01/03/post-holiday-coma-cure/#comment-34</link>
		<dc:creator>allenbirman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 03:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>look nice special blog -

http://www.prepressblogs.com/blog/entry.php?w=lions&#38;e_id=213</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>look nice special blog -</p>
<p><a href="http://www.prepressblogs.com/blog/entry.php?w=lions&amp;e_id=213" rel="nofollow">http://www.prepressblogs.com/blog/entry.php?w=lions&amp;e_id=213</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on While the knot is busy being unraveled&#8230; by Alanna Shaikh</title>
		<link>http://nycvpf.org/2008/04/04/while-the-knot-is-busy-being-unraveled/#comment-18</link>
		<dc:creator>Alanna Shaikh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 15:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://nycvpf.org/2008/04/04/while-the-knot-is-busy-being-unraveled/#comment-18</guid>
		<description>Thanks for the nice words. I was really surprised by the response to that post; it's probably the most popular thing I've written. I am thrilled people are finding it so useful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the nice words. I was really surprised by the response to that post; it&#8217;s probably the most popular thing I&#8217;ve written. I am thrilled people are finding it so useful.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Um, who&#8217;s driving the boat? by Silverado</title>
		<link>http://nycvpf.org/2008/01/30/um-whos-driving-the-boat/#comment-15</link>
		<dc:creator>Silverado</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 19:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://nycvpf.org/2008/01/30/um-whos-driving-the-boat/#comment-15</guid>
		<description>Good Blog. I will continue reading it in the future. Nice layout too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good Blog. I will continue reading it in the future. Nice layout too.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Post-holiday coma cure by DamionKutaeff</title>
		<link>http://nycvpf.org/2008/01/03/post-holiday-coma-cure/#comment-11</link>
		<dc:creator>DamionKutaeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 16:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://nycvpf.org/2008/01/03/post-holiday-coma-cure/#comment-11</guid>
		<description>Hello everybody, my name is Damion, and I'm glad to join your conmunity,
and wish to assit as far as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello everybody, my name is Damion, and I&#8217;m glad to join your conmunity,<br />
and wish to assit as far as possible.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Add a dash of mystery and philanthropy is fun! by Pages tagged "philanthropy"</title>
		<link>http://nycvpf.org/2008/01/30/add-a-dash-of-mystery-and-philanthropy/#comment-16</link>
		<dc:creator>Pages tagged "philanthropy"</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 19:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://nycvpf.org/2008/01/30/add-a-dash-of-mystery-and-philanthropy/#comment-16</guid>
		<description>[...] bookmarks tagged philanthropy   Add a dash of mystery and philanthropy&#160;saved by 7 others  &#160;&#160;&#160;&#160;naruhinatrey bookmarked on 02/07/08 &#124; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] bookmarks tagged philanthropy   Add a dash of mystery and philanthropy&nbsp;saved by 7 others  &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;naruhinatrey bookmarked on 02/07/08 | [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Um, who&#8217;s driving the boat? by Bradley</title>
		<link>http://nycvpf.org/2008/01/30/um-whos-driving-the-boat/#comment-14</link>
		<dc:creator>Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 22:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://nycvpf.org/2008/01/30/um-whos-driving-the-boat/#comment-14</guid>
		<description>Hello Heather! Decent objections, well worth bearing in mind. The crowd (no pun intended, but the pause for thought is!) is still out on the wisdom of the crowd. James Surowiecki's work is full of very good (albeit anecdotal) evidence of situations in which crowds of non-experts actually do a much better job than the experts, when their very dispersed, often conflicting positions are averaged. Likewise, Adam Curtis's work for the BBC highlights the often spectacular unintended consequences of the well-meaning actions of proclaimed experts.

By no means am I proposing the replacement of more traditional, expert-directed philanthropy by open source alternatives. Nor should bloggers replace the WSJ, or Wikipedia replace traditional encyclopaedias, Linux replace Vista (or should it!). Western democracy works by balancing dictatorship and the rule of the masses. What's interesting is when formal and open source systems coexist.

You're absolutely right that the voices of the knowledgeable are important. When designing any open source system (philanthropy or otherwise), we have to be careful that specialists should be recognised as such and listened to.

Generally, I think there's a lot more than meets the eye to the power of diverse (non groupthinking) crowds and their ability to get it right. They don't always (especially when they aren't diverse and independent thinkers), of course.

There's a lot more than meets the eye to truly open platforms. Firstly, when you give people the ability to self-organise around the esoteric issues they care about (the Long Tail effect) you get a wonderful diversity of causes and projects catered for - on any level, local to global. That's just not possible at present - it's just too difficult for well meaning individuals to set up (or even just find!) specialist foundations that particular esoteric issue. The way people understand and do philanthropy could be revolutionised as ordinary civilians, self empowered by open source initiatives like these, collaborate for local embellishment, citywide homelessness eradication, national arts promotion, and global poverty alleviation. We go from an age where people 'do' charity by setting up a £5 direct debit (which they then forget) to a single charity for a cause they barely care to follow, to one where they see a problem, find like-minded people, and do something about it.

Prize philanthropy is just the most convenient mechanism I can think of for that - the non-experts are presented with 'faits accomplis' and merely have to judge output (not have to be involved in the day to day running of the project or the commissioning of work - they wouldn't know where to look). You also get a multitude of solutions to the problem (set out in the prize). They may not win (even if they are the best but got ignored by the panel of amateurs), but they won't die quietly - they exist, and will in their own way benefit the world, once made public.

It's (perhaps) not about the winning - it's about the taking part...

mail me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Heather! Decent objections, well worth bearing in mind. The crowd (no pun intended, but the pause for thought is!) is still out on the wisdom of the crowd. James Surowiecki&#8217;s work is full of very good (albeit anecdotal) evidence of situations in which crowds of non-experts actually do a much better job than the experts, when their very dispersed, often conflicting positions are averaged. Likewise, Adam Curtis&#8217;s work for the BBC highlights the often spectacular unintended consequences of the well-meaning actions of proclaimed experts.</p>
<p>By no means am I proposing the replacement of more traditional, expert-directed philanthropy by open source alternatives. Nor should bloggers replace the WSJ, or Wikipedia replace traditional encyclopaedias, Linux replace Vista (or should it!). Western democracy works by balancing dictatorship and the rule of the masses. What&#8217;s interesting is when formal and open source systems coexist.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re absolutely right that the voices of the knowledgeable are important. When designing any open source system (philanthropy or otherwise), we have to be careful that specialists should be recognised as such and listened to.</p>
<p>Generally, I think there&#8217;s a lot more than meets the eye to the power of diverse (non groupthinking) crowds and their ability to get it right. They don&#8217;t always (especially when they aren&#8217;t diverse and independent thinkers), of course.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a lot more than meets the eye to truly open platforms. Firstly, when you give people the ability to self-organise around the esoteric issues they care about (the Long Tail effect) you get a wonderful diversity of causes and projects catered for - on any level, local to global. That&#8217;s just not possible at present - it&#8217;s just too difficult for well meaning individuals to set up (or even just find!) specialist foundations that particular esoteric issue. The way people understand and do philanthropy could be revolutionised as ordinary civilians, self empowered by open source initiatives like these, collaborate for local embellishment, citywide homelessness eradication, national arts promotion, and global poverty alleviation. We go from an age where people &#8216;do&#8217; charity by setting up a £5 direct debit (which they then forget) to a single charity for a cause they barely care to follow, to one where they see a problem, find like-minded people, and do something about it.</p>
<p>Prize philanthropy is just the most convenient mechanism I can think of for that - the non-experts are presented with &#8216;faits accomplis&#8217; and merely have to judge output (not have to be involved in the day to day running of the project or the commissioning of work - they wouldn&#8217;t know where to look). You also get a multitude of solutions to the problem (set out in the prize). They may not win (even if they are the best but got ignored by the panel of amateurs), but they won&#8217;t die quietly - they exist, and will in their own way benefit the world, once made public.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s (perhaps) not about the winning - it&#8217;s about the taking part&#8230;</p>
<p>mail me!</p>
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		<title>Comment on The faceplant that rocked philanthropy by GiveWell fallout blogs &#187; Vanessa&#8217;s &#8217;serious&#8217; blog</title>
		<link>http://nycvpf.org/2008/01/08/the-faceplant-that-rocked-philanthropy/#comment-13</link>
		<dc:creator>GiveWell fallout blogs &#187; Vanessa&#8217;s &#8217;serious&#8217; blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 00:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://nycvpf.org/2008/01/08/the-faceplant-that-rocked-philanthropy/#comment-13</guid>
		<description>[...] The faceplant that rocked philanthropy - good summary from Doing Giving Differently, which looks like an interesting blog which I&#8217;ll check out in more detail later. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] The faceplant that rocked philanthropy - good summary from Doing Giving Differently, which looks like an interesting blog which I&#8217;ll check out in more detail later. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>Comment on The faceplant that rocked philanthropy by Alison</title>
		<link>http://nycvpf.org/2008/01/08/the-faceplant-that-rocked-philanthropy/#comment-12</link>
		<dc:creator>Alison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 22:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://nycvpf.org/2008/01/08/the-faceplant-that-rocked-philanthropy/#comment-12</guid>
		<description>I've been following this story on the blogs for a couple of weeks now, reading posts, news stories, comments, etc.  A lot of people have tried to make more out of this than there really is.  The bottom line is that Karnofsky misrepresented himself and lied.

In terms of long term implications, this reminds me a lot of James Frey's debacle with A Million Little Pieces.  He lied, then lied about lying, then suffered the wrath of Oprah.

After this, the publishing and autobiography world was all a frenzy.  A witch hunt went out to find similar perpetrators before the media could find them first.  If anything was learned from Frey's faux pas, it was that making the mistake wasn't nearly as unforgiveable pretending not to have made the mistake in the first place.  A number of autobiographies were tagged after that, but about a year and a half later, the hoopla has died down, Frey's newest book is on display at Borders (likely with a disclaimer attached this time) and all is right in the world of Oprah again.

So what does this mean for the world of Philanthropy?  Probably very little in the long term.  We'll all "ooh" and "ahh" over it for a while more on the blogs.  Nonprofits will highlight their own examples of transparency and upfront-ness for a while, and then everything will settle again...relegating Karnofsky to nothing more than a pop culture anecdote and staff meeting story for what NOT to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been following this story on the blogs for a couple of weeks now, reading posts, news stories, comments, etc.  A lot of people have tried to make more out of this than there really is.  The bottom line is that Karnofsky misrepresented himself and lied.</p>
<p>In terms of long term implications, this reminds me a lot of James Frey&#8217;s debacle with A Million Little Pieces.  He lied, then lied about lying, then suffered the wrath of Oprah.</p>
<p>After this, the publishing and autobiography world was all a frenzy.  A witch hunt went out to find similar perpetrators before the media could find them first.  If anything was learned from Frey&#8217;s faux pas, it was that making the mistake wasn&#8217;t nearly as unforgiveable pretending not to have made the mistake in the first place.  A number of autobiographies were tagged after that, but about a year and a half later, the hoopla has died down, Frey&#8217;s newest book is on display at Borders (likely with a disclaimer attached this time) and all is right in the world of Oprah again.</p>
<p>So what does this mean for the world of Philanthropy?  Probably very little in the long term.  We&#8217;ll all &#8220;ooh&#8221; and &#8220;ahh&#8221; over it for a while more on the blogs.  Nonprofits will highlight their own examples of transparency and upfront-ness for a while, and then everything will settle again&#8230;relegating Karnofsky to nothing more than a pop culture anecdote and staff meeting story for what NOT to do.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Post-holiday coma cure by Post-holiday coma cure</title>
		<link>http://nycvpf.org/2008/01/03/post-holiday-coma-cure/#comment-10</link>
		<dc:creator>Post-holiday coma cure</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 05:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://nycvpf.org/2008/01/03/post-holiday-coma-cure/#comment-10</guid>
		<description>[...] Post-holiday coma cure Many of us are in the post-holiday, consumption-glut coma. Each year we swear that the next will be different. But each year we repeat a similar pattern:. Frantic buzzing from store to store via foot or finger (world wide web) searching &#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Post-holiday coma cure Many of us are in the post-holiday, consumption-glut coma. Each year we swear that the next will be different. But each year we repeat a similar pattern:. Frantic buzzing from store to store via foot or finger (world wide web) searching &#8230; [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>Comment on An idea is born by Jennifer</title>
		<link>http://nycvpf.org/2007/12/11/an-effort-is-born/#comment-9</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://nycvpf.org/2007/12/11/an-effort-is-born/#comment-9</guid>
		<description>What a great idea! A very interesting concept and something that needs to be happening within the philanthropy community. Wish I lived around New York to contribute...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a great idea! A very interesting concept and something that needs to be happening within the philanthropy community. Wish I lived around New York to contribute&#8230;</p>
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